People are complaining about the wrong thing here. The main issue with these ships is in the areas where the bastion module are actually really good (lowsec L5 and nullsec) it just leaves you too vulnerable.

If you are left alone in nullsec anoms, the ISK/hour from these things is vastly superior to any other ship. This is because they let you loot and salvage the entire anomaly while you're running it. You don't need to come back in a noctis. You have 95% of the DPS of the pirate battleship that was getting you 40-50m ticks before, only now, in the same timeframe you were running the anoms before, you get all the loot and salvage as well. That probably close to doubles your income.

If you scan down a fleet staging point or a 10/10, you don't have to **** around with a pathetic-DPS HML Tengu and constant warpouts. This thing goes in, face tanks the entire final room, pew pews down the overseer structure and gets out in a few minutes.

In wormholes it's even better, even a C3 will easily provide >250m/hour as long as you have anoms to run. You're not screwing around with a sig-tanking T3, you're vaporizing it with a BS that does double the DPS and salvages everything too at the same time.

So from that perspective, he's absolutely right. These things absolute crap all over pirate BS for solo PvE. The problem is, if a lot of people start doing this, that's going to bring the gankers out in force and since it locks you in place there's absolutely jack **** you can do to protect yourself. No matter how good your intel, you're going to get a dozen stealth bombers covert cynoed on top of you before you can do anything, or a bunch of cloaky T3s are going to come molest you in your wormhole.

please continue to rat in a carrier, it's the best ratting ship ever

(and you'll certainly be able to fight off the odd lone stealth bomber or recon, so don't worry, you're in a capital)

Man, what a wall of text...this ain't gonna fit in one post >.<

I guess there is needed something holding it back from becoming "I WIN" button.

Isk cost in not part of the balance equation. Pirate battleships will be getting teircided against the t1 battleships just like the frigates have been. We already know the cynable is in line for a nerf.

Not with these changes its not.